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	<title>Comments on: TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN</title>
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		<title>By: Midas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Midas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your jokes about not having to see the rest of the movie, and the new form of writing (thrill over story) and it being porn - may be &quot;cheap shots and lazy writing&quot; (your words, not mine) but it was still more entertaining than what I saw of the first Transformers movie. Normally I love a good big budget Hollywood action movie with some sci-fi thrown in, but I couldn&#039;t get through the first Transformers, and didn&#039;t even bother with the second one...   I really hope these thinly written projects don&#039;t become the norm - special effects are so boring if you don&#039;t care at all about the characters or the story... unless of course it&#039;s porn, but even then... who doesn&#039;t want a little context? Oh, and a happy ending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your jokes about not having to see the rest of the movie, and the new form of writing (thrill over story) and it being porn &#8211; may be &#8220;cheap shots and lazy writing&#8221; (your words, not mine) but it was still more entertaining than what I saw of the first Transformers movie. Normally I love a good big budget Hollywood action movie with some sci-fi thrown in, but I couldn&#8217;t get through the first Transformers, and didn&#8217;t even bother with the second one&#8230;   I really hope these thinly written projects don&#8217;t become the norm &#8211; special effects are so boring if you don&#8217;t care at all about the characters or the story&#8230; unless of course it&#8217;s porn, but even then&#8230; who doesn&#8217;t want a little context? Oh, and a happy ending.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other possibility might be due to time constraints. Not sure if this is 100% accurate, but I read in the paper where they were under the gun to finish the script just before the writer’s strike. Add to this, the new rigid “release day” structure, which allows for less and less rewrites, and you can see where getting the story solid becomes more and more of a task.

I tend to analyze (okay, over analyze) every movie I watch, and I couldn’t help but do the same with this film. I need to see it again, but I do feel that all the elements were there - just jumbled up and disjointed. For me, I feel that the central theme of “letting go of the past and moving forward” was more “tell instead of show”.  It felt like there were two schools of story telling – one that trust the audience and one that believes in spoon feeding – and these two thoughts are at contrasting (borderline dueling) play at different times throughout the film. Maybe this indeed speaks to your theory that there is a new belief that the thrill IS the story, while there are those still holding onto basic, solid story structure.

I might even argue that the bones of the characters were there, but pieces of flesh and skin were absent. In terms of plot, when it comes to a movie like this, it’s really hard to argue what does and does not makes sense. After all, it is a movie about transforming, alien robots, who come to earth and disguise themselves as transportation vehicles – and to be honest, just the premise alone has one stretching their imaginations pretty thin.  That’s another issue or potential problem, the fact that the original story/premise is built around animated objects, and the films attempt to add humans as co-protagonists. Who is this story REALLY about, and why should I spend the next 2 hours caring? I cared about Wall-E. I cared about the Iron Giant. I cared about the Little Toaster. Though, I’m not sure I really care about any of the Transformers (okay, maybe the old one – he was personified and had a backstory).

Like I said, I could really go on and on analyzing this film, and not so much for putting it down, but for learning from both what worked and did not work for me, the audience member. 

I’d love to hear more of what you thought in detail, that is, if you plan on finishing the film. While I walked out of the theater not completely satisfied, there were moments I was entertained.

Oh..., and I find Contour to be a productive and really strong software! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other possibility might be due to time constraints. Not sure if this is 100% accurate, but I read in the paper where they were under the gun to finish the script just before the writer’s strike. Add to this, the new rigid “release day” structure, which allows for less and less rewrites, and you can see where getting the story solid becomes more and more of a task.</p>
<p>I tend to analyze (okay, over analyze) every movie I watch, and I couldn’t help but do the same with this film. I need to see it again, but I do feel that all the elements were there &#8211; just jumbled up and disjointed. For me, I feel that the central theme of “letting go of the past and moving forward” was more “tell instead of show”.  It felt like there were two schools of story telling – one that trust the audience and one that believes in spoon feeding – and these two thoughts are at contrasting (borderline dueling) play at different times throughout the film. Maybe this indeed speaks to your theory that there is a new belief that the thrill IS the story, while there are those still holding onto basic, solid story structure.</p>
<p>I might even argue that the bones of the characters were there, but pieces of flesh and skin were absent. In terms of plot, when it comes to a movie like this, it’s really hard to argue what does and does not makes sense. After all, it is a movie about transforming, alien robots, who come to earth and disguise themselves as transportation vehicles – and to be honest, just the premise alone has one stretching their imaginations pretty thin.  That’s another issue or potential problem, the fact that the original story/premise is built around animated objects, and the films attempt to add humans as co-protagonists. Who is this story REALLY about, and why should I spend the next 2 hours caring? I cared about Wall-E. I cared about the Iron Giant. I cared about the Little Toaster. Though, I’m not sure I really care about any of the Transformers (okay, maybe the old one – he was personified and had a backstory).</p>
<p>Like I said, I could really go on and on analyzing this film, and not so much for putting it down, but for learning from both what worked and did not work for me, the audience member. </p>
<p>I’d love to hear more of what you thought in detail, that is, if you plan on finishing the film. While I walked out of the theater not completely satisfied, there were moments I was entertained.</p>
<p>Oh&#8230;, and I find Contour to be a productive and really strong software! <img src='http://contour-at-the-movies.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alyssa Kupila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alyssa Kupila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did quite enjoy this film it defiantly deserved its praise, it is commonly seen that when a movie is made its sequel does not live up to be as well done as the first though this one i find is easily tied with the first. Some people may say that the 2nd was better but that&#039;s only because they watched the first one so much that they could recite it word for word. unfortunately i did find some faults in the Revenge of the Fallen film, commonly i got déjà vu. when some of the actors would speak a certain sentence i quikyl recognized it from the first film you could do a voice overlap and they would match, and this did not happen 2 or three times there was at least 10 parts i could have pointed out, as well some of the fotage was very familiar, such as when the deceptacons are approaching earth it looks very similar to when the autobots come to earth in the first film. though all in all it was a great film though there was much more crude content so it was quite enjoyable for an audience who could understand the crude and sexual jokes made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did quite enjoy this film it defiantly deserved its praise, it is commonly seen that when a movie is made its sequel does not live up to be as well done as the first though this one i find is easily tied with the first. Some people may say that the 2nd was better but that&#8217;s only because they watched the first one so much that they could recite it word for word. unfortunately i did find some faults in the Revenge of the Fallen film, commonly i got déjà vu. when some of the actors would speak a certain sentence i quikyl recognized it from the first film you could do a voice overlap and they would match, and this did not happen 2 or three times there was at least 10 parts i could have pointed out, as well some of the fotage was very familiar, such as when the deceptacons are approaching earth it looks very similar to when the autobots come to earth in the first film. though all in all it was a great film though there was much more crude content so it was quite enjoyable for an audience who could understand the crude and sexual jokes made.</p>
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		<title>By: David Goulet</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Goulet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding to the discussion here. Music videos can tell a full story in as little as four minutes because the structure is understood. Watch Audioslave&#039;s vid for Doesn&#039;t Remind Me -- it hits all the Contour/TW marks. So perhaps if a 2 hour tent-pole at least hits a glancing blow to those same marks it can still satisfy our story reflex nerves. 

Making movies based on the condensed music video paradigms is old news, but perhaps the new paradigm is not  music vids but video games. Gamers appreciate some story structure, but only enough to sweeten the gaming action. Funny, action was formally used to sweeten the story, now it&#039;s the opposite.

As gaming eclipses movie watching (as it has in Japan) perhaps movie makers will appropriate gaming&#039;s paradigms?

In most games you can replay your latest dogfight or shoot-out with the bad guys. Maybe Transformers 2 is the replay of Mr. Bay&#039;s recent gaming session.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding to the discussion here. Music videos can tell a full story in as little as four minutes because the structure is understood. Watch Audioslave&#8217;s vid for Doesn&#8217;t Remind Me &#8212; it hits all the Contour/TW marks. So perhaps if a 2 hour tent-pole at least hits a glancing blow to those same marks it can still satisfy our story reflex nerves. </p>
<p>Making movies based on the condensed music video paradigms is old news, but perhaps the new paradigm is not  music vids but video games. Gamers appreciate some story structure, but only enough to sweeten the gaming action. Funny, action was formally used to sweeten the story, now it&#8217;s the opposite.</p>
<p>As gaming eclipses movie watching (as it has in Japan) perhaps movie makers will appropriate gaming&#8217;s paradigms?</p>
<p>In most games you can replay your latest dogfight or shoot-out with the bad guys. Maybe Transformers 2 is the replay of Mr. Bay&#8217;s recent gaming session.</p>
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		<title>By: Boswell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is poorly written. It&#039;s this simple.  You&#039;re watching TV and see some terrible accident with a train.  How do you feel about that? Sympathetic, sure, but accidents happen every day.   Then you realise your girlfriend was on it. Now how do you feel now? Are you still thinking of switching to the sports results?

Action is only really involving, if you care about the people involved,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is poorly written. It&#8217;s this simple.  You&#8217;re watching TV and see some terrible accident with a train.  How do you feel about that? Sympathetic, sure, but accidents happen every day.   Then you realise your girlfriend was on it. Now how do you feel now? Are you still thinking of switching to the sports results?</p>
<p>Action is only really involving, if you care about the people involved,</p>
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		<title>By: totallywrite</title>
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		<dc:creator>totallywrite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There has to be a standard, even if it has been around for 100 years.  We’d had soap around for longer than that, but that doesn’t mean we should all start bathing with cabbage.&quot;

This is now officially my new favorite quote.

Thanks for the kind words, Nick.  I agree whole-heartedly with what you&#039;re saying.  I&#039;m not sure if TRANSFORMERS is trying to create a new paradigm or not, but it&#039;s going to be interesting to see what follows in the wake of its success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There has to be a standard, even if it has been around for 100 years.  We’d had soap around for longer than that, but that doesn’t mean we should all start bathing with cabbage.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is now officially my new favorite quote.</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words, Nick.  I agree whole-heartedly with what you&#8217;re saying.  I&#8217;m not sure if TRANSFORMERS is trying to create a new paradigm or not, but it&#8217;s going to be interesting to see what follows in the wake of its success.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going with poorly written movie. 

The only brain trust involved here, I think, is the one that continues to figure out in a slimy way that you really can compromise heavily and still make lots of money. I don&#039;t think that says much for the industry, and it&#039;s certainly not saying much about  the audience - and about how they regard the audience. The only reason I can enjoy the thrill of space mountain is because the roller coaster is secured solidly to the logic of the tracks - the frame and structure. 

Not to sound gushy, but I&#039;m grateful for people like you - people who care enough about story, and the logic of story, that you&#039;ve come up with some fantastic software to help people like us, struggling writers who want to learn craft and about quality. There has to be a standard, even if it has been around for 100 years.  We&#039;d had soap around for longer than that , but that doesn&#039;t mean we should all start bathing with cabbage.  :-) 

Some things are just meant to stay around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going with poorly written movie. </p>
<p>The only brain trust involved here, I think, is the one that continues to figure out in a slimy way that you really can compromise heavily and still make lots of money. I don&#8217;t think that says much for the industry, and it&#8217;s certainly not saying much about  the audience &#8211; and about how they regard the audience. The only reason I can enjoy the thrill of space mountain is because the roller coaster is secured solidly to the logic of the tracks &#8211; the frame and structure. </p>
<p>Not to sound gushy, but I&#8217;m grateful for people like you &#8211; people who care enough about story, and the logic of story, that you&#8217;ve come up with some fantastic software to help people like us, struggling writers who want to learn craft and about quality. There has to be a standard, even if it has been around for 100 years.  We&#8217;d had soap around for longer than that , but that doesn&#8217;t mean we should all start bathing with cabbage.  <img src='http://contour-at-the-movies.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Some things are just meant to stay around.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Candage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Candage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and on top of all that, I have another question that might fit here and might not. i have often seen movies that, when over, I thought &quot;I could have done better&quot; or why did they even do this movie? I often see a what I think is a good concept poorly executed. I want to know what happens. Do the producers and financiers not see that it sucks or is it that there are so many cooks in the kitchen that it just gets messy? 

Why do good concepts often end up so bad?!

Dave
in Maine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and on top of all that, I have another question that might fit here and might not. i have often seen movies that, when over, I thought &#8220;I could have done better&#8221; or why did they even do this movie? I often see a what I think is a good concept poorly executed. I want to know what happens. Do the producers and financiers not see that it sucks or is it that there are so many cooks in the kitchen that it just gets messy? </p>
<p>Why do good concepts often end up so bad?!</p>
<p>Dave<br />
in Maine</p>
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		<title>By: David Goulet</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Goulet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your happy ending is better than the one in the movie. As for those battling bots, I still find they are visually too &quot;busy&quot;. I can&#039;t make heads or tails out of them -- perhaps they are using the same &quot;let&#039;s defy logic&quot; approach to the cinematics as they are the story? Maybe I just need to stop sitting so close to the screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your happy ending is better than the one in the movie. As for those battling bots, I still find they are visually too &#8220;busy&#8221;. I can&#8217;t make heads or tails out of them &#8212; perhaps they are using the same &#8220;let&#8217;s defy logic&#8221; approach to the cinematics as they are the story? Maybe I just need to stop sitting so close to the screen.</p>
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